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Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Reg Cheeseman — Wed, 02 Apr 2014 15:27:14 -0000

I was wondering what had happened to this campaign. After two years, after more Obama, it has 0.16% of the population behind it. Not Scotland or Catalonia, is it?

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Lynnie — Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:27:04 -0000

How the hell did I end up on this stupid site anyway???? Damn Facebook!

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Lynnie — Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:24:12 -0000

Never that. Conservative Republican Christians populate majority of Texas. No way would I ever apologize for something that is true. So if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Calvinius — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:41:30 -0000

This coming from a nutty Ayn Rand cultist. Talk about an ideology that has never worked and never will.

Also, there's nothing remotely socialist about anything Obama has done.

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Stark Stuka — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:36:44 -0000

The only madness, Calvinious, is the status quo in doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If you seriously think, after all the
failures of socialism and communism, that Obama Clausism is going to achieve
different results, then you and those of your ilk are the ones who are insane. Then again, you might already be aware of this and don’t give a Tinker’s damn and just want to ride the gravy train as long as you can. In either case, you lose, and your betters, who live responsibly by logic and reason and self-reliance will be triumphant when the last morsel of productivity has been consumed by you, the looter class of parasites and predators.

Who is John Galt?

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Sam Riddle — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:47:18 -0000

If you think secession would really happen your a bigger *** than you prove your self to be by being so argumentative towards some one who's simply trying to pay you a compliment. Arguing among each other is just what they want us to do, I would like to hear some good suggestions on what to do rather than a lot of pointless ranting...

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:16:12 -0000

Sir, I, too, wore the uniform (over 20 years), and served in one of our useless, un-Constititutional wars, Viet Nam. Regardless, Sir, my
comments stand as written, with no regrets or amendments. I suppose at this point is where we pat each other on the back and thank each other for our service. Frankly, sir, I'm darned tired of that empty gesture. The only thing that really matters about our service is whether we are going to stand by the solemn oath every warrior took, i.e. uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC, DOMESTIC, DOMESTIC, and DOMESTIC. As for the charge of lecturing you, I could say the same about anyone’s opinion on this blog site. I don’t like offending anyone, and I certainly didn’t intend to offend you, and I’m sorry about your disability; however, in the course of saying it like it is, i.e. defining true American patriotism, I offer apologies to noone. Direct, unequivocal communication is what I’m about, and if people don’t like it, they can do any one of the following: ignore it; cry and complain and attempt censorship, as liberals typically do; feign self-righteous indignation, another liberal technique; propose a counter argument; or agree.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Calvinius — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:16:08 -0000

There was no "secession movement". There still isn't, for that matter. Just a few thousand people who are bitter about an election result and responded with empty threats.

BTW, you might want to look at the signatures of these "secession petitions". Every one of them includes large numbers of signatures from people who don't even live in the states that they're signing for. Some of the secession petitions were even started by people who don't live in the states they claim to be petitioning on behalf of.

But it figures that you'd be an Ayn Rand cultist. Her absurd ideas have no relevance to reality.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Calvinius — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:58:18 -0000

Are you ****ing kidding me? Texas was a sovereign nation for only 10 years. They voluntarily became a permanent part of the United States.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:19:13 -0000

Ah, you are consistent aren't you, consistently wrong. Secession has been bantied around way before the last election, so it's nothing knew. Obama did the secessionist movement a favor, adding fuel to the fire, which will not be extinguished and will keep on growing. You can dismiss it, as you will, but it doesn't change anything. Secession will happen, or by default through shrugging, which means individuals taking their own actions to preserve their individual freedom, independent of the state: wealth transfers, paying no or minimal taxes to feed the beast, and essentially not allowing the state to rob the individual of that which they have created. Government is either a protector of values or a destroyer. It is now a destroyer and destroying all productivity and the nation.

Who is John Galt? Go read the book and/or view the movie Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, then, perhaps you might be able to connect the dots. http://www.atlasshruggedmov...

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Stark Stuka — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:50:01 -0000

Calvinius, do you even know the definition of a conspiracy? Stephen Knott II may or may not be incorrect, but he's not necessarily indicating any conspiracy. If he is, explain, and if he is incorrect about Texas remaining a sovereign nation, please explain. Thank you.

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Stark Stuka — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:57 -0000

Thank you, Calvinius, I've been looking for someone with a crystal ball. Perhaps you could help me with my investments, I'll give you 10% on each correct prognostication. If you're wrong, then you'll pay me 10% of any profits from investments which I pick, based on logic, reason, and trending, OK?

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Sam Riddle — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:34:49 -0000

I agree with most of your well thought out comments but I do not agree that petitioning to secede from the union is effectively going to impress or intimidate the Obama administration in any way what so ever. This is the same administration whom ignored the will of the people when it comes to the affordable care act and getting tougher on undocumented aliens.

Also, though I'm sure your not aware of it, but I am a disabled veteran and don't particularly appreciate being lectured on American Patriotism... Thanks for the comments though, unlike most, your comments are well thought out and we would be a stronger nation if we could get more folks to educate themselves on the issues and think things through before they make rash judgments (like voting for a candidate based on pop-culture or the color of their skin)

One other thing, as I stated before, I think that the right to secede from the union is a perfectly good thing to do (it is a God given right promised to us by the framers of the US Constitution) I just don't think that the efforts being exerted towards a white house web site is the best way to resolve the very serous issue that we are facing with this administration, these efforts would be better served by coming together as a whole and collectively agreeing to a strategy that will succeed... Even with the bigoted lies and deceit of the left, they succeeded because they were better organized.

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Stephen Michael — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:33:21 -0000

Do you even know what the word "conspiracy" means in law and reality? or you just namecalling again aimlessly? Conspiracy simply is defined as when any two people discuss or plan on committing a crime, even if it be as small as supression of rights of citizens. Yes planning any type of crime together with just one or two people is a felony crime called "conspiracy", or aiding and abetting any type of crime, when two people talk about doing it they have just committed the crime of "conspiracy" in federal law. If you think nobody in Obama's Administration would dare even speak with eachother behind closed doors, well, I got to say they do it out in the open every day and publish it boldly. So all your maligning people with the namecalling of "conpiracy theory", is moot.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stephen Michael — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:27:20 -0000

Namecalling doesn't make you correct, it makes you a scoffer and a scorner who is never going to enter heaven that way.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

spacegasp — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:06:46 -0000

There not allowed to leave the organization.....you know, like when someone wants to leave the Mafia,

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Calvinius — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:59:42 -0000

The only "statement" that these petitions make is that a few thousand people are butthurt over having lost an election.

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Calvinius — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:59:02 -0000

Bullcrap. That's the craziest conspiracy nonsense I've ever seen. This week.

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Calvinius — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:57:40 -0000

No states will ever secede.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Calvinius — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:57:18 -0000

"Madness" is right. But there are no states that are petitioning for secession. It's a handful of individual lunatics who are filing petitions.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:54:05 -0000

I don’t think anyone seriously believes that these petitions are going to do anything but make a statement and serve notice to the Obama administration and Congress about the discontent, kinda like the steps which the Founding Fathers took preceding the American Revolution in essence saying “Hey King George (Dictator Obama), we’ve been polite and given you every opportunity to redress our grievances, but you refuse to listen and become more oppressive. OK, we got the message and have no recourse
left, other than armed revolution against your tyranny. You asked for it, your majesty, now you’ve got it!” The secessionists in each State, as posted by others, must state their intention of secession through their State legislatures, which would serve as a formal declaration of secessionist intent, then simply severing their ties and freely acting as their
own sovereign State. It’s not rocket science; it just takes the will and determination to do it.

Although I like the idea of amending the Constitution to require the government to balance the budget every year or Congress and the President should not be paid, I don’t really think that any of these overpaid servants of the people in Washington are going to agree to that. Let’s face reality here; the system is broken and the contract with We The People, the Constitution, has been dumped for a new compact of freebies for the sheeple. Secession formally recognizes and declares that any union is null and
void for breach of contract, period. There are some who think that it’s unpatriotic to secede. To them I say nothing could be further from the truth. Patriotism is based on love of country, central of which are the core values of that country. Accordingly, the original core values of the United States of America are individual freedom and rights, which are codified in the U.S. Constitution, which has been shredded and trashed by those who have taken a solemn oath to defend it. Forget the Supreme Court and its self-serving political interpretations, as well as the rest of the anti-American and anti-freedom cabal in Washington D.C. In other words, don't expect the foxes (more like jackels) guarding the national chicken coop to behave any differently than they have been in the past 100 years. Patriotism isn’t tied to politicians or leaders of a country, especially those who disregard their solemn oath of office, nor is patriotism tied to geography. Patriotism is tied to ideas; therefore, if a country’s original, firmly held ideas of freedom have been discarded for tyranny, then it necessarily follows that there is no obligation to stay joined to that which is repugnant to the concept of freedom. Nay, it is a moral obligation to shed any bounds to that which denies freedom, and that is real American patriotism, which I’m sure you won’t find in any dictionary. The natural state of man, freedom, needs no court, jury, public opinion, or consensus; it does need, however, people worthy of it who are willing to fight for it with all their might.

Now, with all the above said, it’s not to say that formal
secession through State legislatures, amendments to the Constitution, and
impeachment proceedings can’t be done in parallel by those most inclined and
best positioned to pursue these various avenues of relief from tyranny. Moreover, I add one more idea to the
table: consider any secessionist
movements in Canada as potential members of a Confederacy, especially if they
have control or influence of energy producing resources.

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:14:32 -0000

Stephen, if this be true, Texas here I come and bye, bye American pie, debt, crime, and leeches to the sky,

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:10:42 -0000

Right on, Kathy. The rest of the States who secede can do the same thing, i.e. reclaim the land and use the military bases and other resources, thus protecting our own borders and rational self-interests for a change. Gee, what a concept.

BYE, BYE TO THE WHOLE WASHINGTON, DEMONIC COMMUNE (DC) FROM HELL!

SECESSION NOW!

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Stark Stuka — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:02:58 -0000

Of interest to Texans, who want to secede from the un-United
States of America (USA), check out the Website on legation referenced below,
and ensure that you gain access to the Texas legation documents before they are
destroyed or altered.

https://www.tsl.state.tx.us...

Re: Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray

Kathy Burnett — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:06 -0000

Something your calculation does not take into consideration, Texas economy is 15th in the world behind Canada, our IRS money would now come to us to decide and not DC, and having the right to finally be able to drill on our land again, Zero taxes and regulations on our businesses would make it possible for us to blossom once again, can you imagine all the free loaders would have to move to a different state so that they could live off the federal government. We can only imagine that we would finally get to protect our borders once again as we should have. Oh, by the way, those military bases on Texas land, we paid our fair share for them so they would still belong to us. Imports and exports going out of our ports would change, there would not longer be regulations on us and can you imagine how wonderful it would be finally to equalize the playing field with China? Ports, Oil, Gas, farming, and then all the great companies moving here to live in a free enterprise system

It is all about Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech and the Freedom to Bare Arms..... it is about being taxed without getting to vote on it. Think again about your calculation because we would willing give up things to know we get to live as the Constitution says we have the right to.